[WLANnews] FW: [wsfii-discuss] Some thoughts about tonight meeting in London

[Juergen Neumann]

Hier eine Mail von Ramon, die viele interessante Fragestellungen enthält, die ja auch uns beschäftigen. Es wäre m.E. toll, wenn noch mehr von uns mit auf die WSFII-Mailingliste kommen würden, und dort mehr Austausch hinsichtlich der praktischen Umsetzung dieser Punkte erfolgen könnte. 

Mapping, Serviceannouncement, Community-"Vertrag", ..., das sind alles Themen, die wir gemeinsam hinbekommen sollten. Und wenn ein Treffen im kommenden Jahr in Barcelona statt finden würde, dann könnten sicher auch noch mehr von uns dort hin kommen.

LG

JuergeN 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: wsfii-discuss-bounces at lists.okfn.org 
> [mailto:wsfii-discuss-bounces at lists.okfn.org] On Behalf Of Ramon Roca
> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 2:00 AM
> To: wsfii-discuss at lists.okfn.org
> Subject: [wsfii-discuss] Some thoughts about tonight meeting in London
> 
> 
> I'm in the train back to Reading after having a meeting with a few 
> people from London (free2air.net, spontaneous networking, 
> consume...). I 
> don't mention names just because I don't remember some of them! :(
> 
> That was a heavy and interesting discussion for me, with 
> people who are 
> almost dinosaurs (in the good sense, I mean, since the origins of the 
> wireless comms paradigm) in the activism for the free networks.I just 
> want a share my thoughts trying to obtain a summary emphasizing the 
> relevant points we have talk about before falling to sleep.
> 
> -To make somewhat global happens, a lots of things must occur 
> simultaneously in many areas, starting from people, knowledge, 
> resources, etc. That's not a short term task. Also not affordable to 
> anyone individually and even for a Local Community. But still makes 
> sense and could happens. Maybe not as fast as we would like, 
> but steps 
> forward are being done.
> 
> -WSFII is right now the place to share globally thoughts 
> (like this) and 
> also projects/ideas/experiences. If we miss a place to get in 
> touch, we 
> do simply does not exist as a global initiative, and it fits 
> perfectly 
> in the WSFII spirit. If the list gets too much traffic maybe 
> then will 
> makes sense to fork between other lists, i.e. for technical 
> development, 
> users, politics, whatever which makes sense, but not before 
> this becomes 
> necessary, don't care: very likely will happens spontaneously 
> if really 
> becomes a need.
> 
> -After Dharmsala event, could be nice to have one in Europe. 
> Lots of us 
> will miss Dharmsala because of the logistics that Dharmsala implies. 
> Barcelona area could be a good place: We already run annually a local 
> event for Catalonia (we cal it SAX), we can just "upgrade" it to be a 
> WSFII event. Spain also might be a good place to plan a 
> travel for many 
> Europeans if we do schedule it for the early next summer.
> 
> -Trust relationships and honest unfortunately are still very basic. 
> Things like WSFII events, Wizards of WOS, Summer Camps etc. 
> helps a lot 
> but the story doesn't have to end there. Open discussions are another 
> key. Lastly but not last, free/neutral networking concept 
> might have a 
> few variations, but still makes sense to get some consensus 
> of which are 
> the basics, PPA and WCL might no be very friendly but helps on that 
> direction, without such things, we are always in danger to be 
> spoiled by 
> somebody with some lack of ethics and happy to bring 
> confusion into the 
> field. There are already a few examples of that which I don't like to 
> mention just to avoid to bring them more free into the crawlers for 
> free. Those are just distinct stories.
> 
> -Sharing mechanisms, publishing information and solutions, self 
> discovery of services, etc have been the most discussed topics. Those 
> things are critical to make free networks a exists, survive 
> and scale, 
> which means gain momentum and build success. We have to be 
> always hungry 
> in those directions, never happy enough. They are key since we will 
> never have enough resources, so it's important to be inspired while 
> administrating them. That also means although we can discuss 
> many ideas 
> and visions, we can't never miss the real world and be somewhat 
> pragmatic. Execution counts a lot, everybody executes what 
> they like or 
> is motivated for, as long as we are able to share every single/small 
> execution, either for sharing as a common brick, or to make 
> it reusable 
> elsewhere, that will help us in building the big thing.
> 
> And some of the bricks could be:
> -Standards for network description in some universal interfaces, 
> regardless of language/cultural barriers. That could be done 
> in various 
> ways, like XML. Before today I was referring to this concept by 
> "nodexchange", Alexei pointed that might be better understood 
> if we call 
> it "CML" (Community Markup Language), which means the ability to 
> describe a whole networks with all its contents.
> -Global mapping resources.
> -Services which might be self announced into the network 
> without having 
> to be provisioned by any application.
> 
> 
> Ok. The train got into Reading. It's 00:10am already, not 
> that bad given 
> that stopped for a while (I though that British Railways 
> where near to 
> perfect, maybe I was not lucky today and I've got the exception). Now 
> it's time to go to sleep, I'll have a hard job tomorrow... 
> but lets post 
> this, and feel free to reply either to better summarize concepts or 
> point anything that I might missed. I'm just going a send 
> this as soon 
> as I get connected at the Hotel, so expect a few typos/missed 
> points here.
> 
> Ramon.-
> 
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