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    <p>Hallo Felix,</p>
    <p>für den 841 kann es keine dez. Gateway-Firmware geben, weil der
      von der Hardware zu wenig Flash-Speicher hat und auch RAM und CPU
      sehr dürftig ist. Er wird eben noch unterstützt, weil er viel im
      Einsatz ist/war aber eigentlich sieht er auch sehr gut in der
      Mülltonne aus.<br>
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    <p>Grüße von Steffen</p>
    <p><br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 03.09.2019 um 12:48 schrieb Felix:<br>
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        <div>Hallo Sebastian,</div>
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        Mhh ja wäre auch eine Option, aber für den 841 gibt es leider
        keine dez. GW Firmware...
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        <div>Dann muss ich mal schauen wie ich in der FW von Adrian das
          WAN durchschleife.</div>
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        <div>VG,<br>
          Felix</div>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Am Di., 3. Sept. 2019 um
          12:02 Uhr schrieb <<a href="mailto:freifunk@beibecks.de"
            moz-do-not-send="true">freifunk@beibecks.de</a>>:<br>
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          <div>Hallo Felix,<br>
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          <div>wenn es die FW gibt, dann probier es doch einfach mal
            aus. <br>
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          <div>Mich würde auch interessieren, was diese Kisten an
            Durchsatz Richtung Internet schaffen. Die stärkste CPU
            werden sie nicht verbaut haben -> Bitte Erfahrungen
            teilen ;)<br>
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          <div>Eine Standardlösung gibt es nicht, aber der 0815-Weg wäre
            wohl so:<br>
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          <div>DSL<br>
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          <div> |<br>
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          <div>Speedport --- Privates WLAN / LAN<br>
          </div>
          <div>  |<br>
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          <div>VLAN-Switch ------- RF <---> RF --- AP --- Beide
            WLANs<br>
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          <div> |   |  <br>
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          <div> |   |   <br>
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          <div> |   Privates LAN<br>
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          <div> |<br>
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          <div>dez. FFF-GW  ---- FFF-WLAN<br>
          </div>
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          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>Ganz generell, je nachdem was du für Ansprüche und
            Entfernungen hast, könntest du dir auch mal von Ubiquiti die
            NanoStation 5AC anschauen, MikroTik SXTsq 5 ac bzw. die
            60GHz Geräte von Mikrotik.<br>
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            <div>Grüße,<br>
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            <div>Sebastian<br>
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          <div>Am 3. September 2019 um 11:22:26 +02:00, hat Felix <<a
              href="mailto:freifunk@fschreiner.de" target="_blank"
              moz-do-not-send="true">freifunk@fschreiner.de</a>>
            geschrieben:<br>
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                  <div>Hi,<br>
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                  <div>Ja gibt es von Adrian zumindest: <a
                      href="https://freifunk.jubt.org/fff-firmware.php#gw"
                      target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://freifunk.jubt.org/fff-firmware.php#gw</a><br>
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                  <div>Ich hätte es jetzt so:<br>
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                  <div>DSL<br>
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                  <div>  |<br>
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                  <div>Speedport<br>
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                  <div> |   |   |<br>
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                  <div> |   |   PC<br>
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                  <div> |   Drucker<br>
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                  <div> |<br>
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                  <div>CPE210 als dez GW  => Richtfunk  => CPE210
                    als Partner => WA841ND strahlt die zwei SSIDs
                    aus.<br>
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                  <div>dez. GW deshalb, da Layer 3 laut Christian und
                    Fabian viiieeeel toller ist.<br>
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                  <div>Und nein, Mesh und Batman brauche ich nicht, da
                    ist aktuell nix zum Meshen.<br>
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                    <div>Danke und VG,<br>
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                    <div>Felix<br>
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                    class="gmail-m_-81027537328210926oneComWebmail-gmail_attr">Am
                    Di., 3. Sept. 2019 um 11:00 Uhr schrieb Steffen
                    Winkler <<a
                      href="mailto:freifunk@steffen-winkler.de"
                      target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">freifunk@steffen-winkler.de</a>>:<br>
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                      <p>Hallo Felix,<br>
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                      <p>wenn Du eine Richtfunk-Strecke machst, ist da
                        eigentlich immer Originalfirmware drauf. Ist bei
                        2,4 GHz nicht ganz so wichtig aber bei 5 GHz
                        geht es gar nicht anders, wenn die outdoor ist.
                        Ich weiß gar nicht, ob es für die CPE210
                        überhaupt Firmware für dez. Gateway gibt.
                        Irgendwie fehlt da ein Gerät, was erst einmal
                        Freifunk aus DSL macht. Es muss aber auch gar
                        kein dez. Gateway sein, was das aus DSL Freifunk
                        macht. Wenn es keine Mesh-Partner mehr gibt,
                        braucht man ab da auch nur Freifunk Client und
                        nicht Batman odergar Babel. Ich habe mal eine
                        ASCII-Grafik erstellt, aus der hervorgeht, wie
                        so etwas laufen kann.<br>
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                      <div><span class="gmail-m_-81027537328210926font"
style="font-family:menlo,consolas,"courier new",monospace">[DSL]</span><span
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                          Kabel<br>
                          v<br>
                          [Fritzbox o.ä. (vielleicht auch ohne WLAN)]</span><span
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                          | | |<br>
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                          style="font-family:menlo,consolas,"courier
                          new",monospace"> 3 x LAN mit Kabel<br>
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                          new",monospace">| | [Richtfunkgerät]
                          -Luft-> [Richtfunkgerät] -Kabel->
                          [beliebiger WLAN Router 2x SSID</span><span
                          class="gmail-m_-81027537328210926font"
                          style="font-family:menlo,consolas,"courier
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                          style="font-family:menlo,consolas,"courier
                          new",monospace">| | ^<br>
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                          style="font-family:menlo,consolas,"courier
                          new",monospace">| | | fff Client</span><span
                          class="gmail-m_-81027537328210926font"
                          style="font-family:menlo,consolas,"courier
                          new",monospace"> mit Kabel<br>
                          | v |<br>
                        </span><span
                          class="gmail-m_-81027537328210926font"
                          style="font-family:menlo,consolas,"courier
                          new",monospace">| [fff Router</span></div>
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                        <div><span
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                            style="font-family:menlo,consolas,"courier
                            new",monospace">(vielleicht auch ohne
                            WLAN)</span>]<br>
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                          |   | fff Client mit Kabel</span><span
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                        </span><span
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                          style="font-family:menlo,consolas,"courier
                          new",monospace">v   v<br>
                          [beliebiger WLAN Router 2x SSID]</span><span
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                      <p>Grüße von Steffen<br>
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                        03.09.2019 um 09:34 schrieb Felix:<br>
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                          <div>Hallo, <br>
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                            <div>Danke Steffen, Das 2,4GHz ist da
                              draußen noch nicht so voll, wie hier in
                              der Stadt ;-)<br>
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                            <div> Ist in der tiefen Oberpfalz :-)<br>
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                          <div>Das heißt, der CPE210 auf der
                            Ursprungsseite bekommt die dez. GW FW. Hat
                            jemand dann den Befehl, um beide Netze
                            auszustrahlen?<br>
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                          <div>Auf der anderen Seite den CPE210 mit
                            OpenWRT flashen oder Orginal lassen? und
                            dann zwei WDS Strecken einrichten? Tendiere
                            da irgendwie zum OpenWRT...<br>
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                          <div>Und dann den 841 mit OpenWRT einfach zwei
                            Netze ausstrahlen lassen. Die er per zwei
                            VLANs vom CPE210 bekommt.<br>
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                          <div>Finde da nicht so wirklich was in der
                            Mailingliste...<br>
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                            <div>Danke und VG,<br>
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                            <div> Felix<br>
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                            Mo., 2. Sept. 2019 um 22:23 Uhr schrieb
                            Steffen Winkler <<a
                              href="mailto:freifunk@steffen-winkler.de"
                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">freifunk@steffen-winkler.de</a>>:<br>
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                            <div>Hallo Felix,<br>
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                            <div> ich glaube, das wurde erst
                              beantwortet, man muss am dezentralen die <br>
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                            <div> VLANs definieren aber nichts darauf
                              legen.<br>
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                            <div> Die 2 CPE210 übertragen dann die
                              VLANs. Obwohl 2,4 GHz eher ungüstig <br>
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                            <div> ist, weil es voll mit anderen WLANs
                              ist und auch langsam ist. Aber zum <br>
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                            <div> probieren geht es auf jeden Fall schon
                              mal. Den Router an der anderen <br>
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                            <div> Seite, also dessen Netzwerk
                              Konfiguration musst Du auch anpassen und <br>
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                            <div> dann wenn das private Netz mit
                              ausgestrahlt werden soll, dann auch noch <br>
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                            <div> das WLAN.<br>
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                            <div> <br>
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                            <div> Grüße von Steffen<br>
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                            <div> <br>
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                            <div> <br>
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                            <div> On 02.09.19 21:54, Felix wrote:<br>
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                            <div> > Hallo,<br>
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                            <div> ><br>
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                            <div> > Ich würde gerne mittels zwei
                              CPE210 eine kurze Richtfunkstrecke <br>
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                            <div> > einrichten mit einem dezentralen
                              Gateway.<br>
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                            <div> > jetzt kommt aber das
                              Komplizierte: Ich würde gerne das interne
                              Netz <br>
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                            <div> > auch mit rüberbringen.<br>
                            </div>
                            <div> > Kann eine der zwei dezentralen
                              Gateway Firmwares das gefunkte Netz als <br>
                            </div>
                            <div> > WAN nehmen und dann einmal das
                              "WAN" und einmal Freifunk auf den Ports <br>
                            </div>
                            <div> > an einen 841 raus geben?<br>
                            </div>
                            <div> ><br>
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                            <div> > Habe insgesamt 2 841 und 2 BE210
                              dafür zur Verfügung für das Vorhaben.<br>
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                            <div> ><br>
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                            <div> > Danke für Eure Denkanstöße,<br>
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                            <div> ><br>
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                            <div> > Grüße,<br>
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                            <div> > Felix<br>
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